I'am a client of betonmarket.com to trade mini binary options.
I would say, it is not a scammer, but in my personal feeling I felt like being stolen by a thief that uses evil tricks to take your money away. Why I felt so?
i.e:
I traded during 2-3 hours about 20 winning trades and only about 5 loosing, with amounts between 2-5$, having a bankroll of about 110$.
But does betonmarkets wants to steal your money away with evil tricks? They just put in the betting field for the amount again and again 100$ per default. So you can change it 100x, but one time, you just oversee it and you bet with 100x bigger amount than wished, and of course, exactly this time you'll not have enough luck, and away is it!
And should I belief that they do not exactly count on this, that over time I'll just will oversee the standard 100$ automatic put into the amount field, could-blooded, knowing, that statistically over the time almost evereybody ones oversees that the amount changed back to standard 100$?
Shame on you BETONMARKET.com for such an evil practise to take away the money of your clients!
I'm shure this is not the only broker with such evil behaviour. But I'll look for a better one that treats me fairly.
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Attention: according to a email from betonmarket in reaction to this article, they changed the tricky behaviour with the 100$ amount. See correspondence in the comments. Bravo.
I will check, if it is true and write it here. If yes, there will be no more reason, not to recommend this broker!
26.9.2013: So far, i made some trades and the automatisme to put 100$ in the amount field seems to be changed a little bit. In the beginning it's still 100$, if I change to 2$ it mostly remains 2$, but not allways! So it seems my action brought something and made trading with betonmarket.com a better experience. I can recommend so far but will further write here if it's really better.
This does not change I personally taken consequences of the bad experience before.
Here the answer from betonmarket, is not just this answer a blackmail, by falsy making me fear to have made something illegall, beeing stolen in my opionion 100$.
AntwortenLöschen"Dear Lucien,
Your email was brought to my attention. Thank you for reporting the bug mentioned in your blog post. The bug was due to a cookie handling error in a recent code release. We have now fixed it, and you shouldn't experience the issue any longer (you may also clear your cookies in your browser if it still persists). More generally, should you encounter any bugs or expected behaviors in our website, you may report them via the Contact Us page, and I can assure you that our IT team looks diligently and promptly at every single request that comes through.
We cannot however condone your behavior in writing this blog post and attempting to coerce us, as it constitutes not only libel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation) but also blackmail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail), which are both unlawful behaviors. Although the amount is small, we are duty bound to report such behaviors and would advise you to reconsider your approach.
Best regards
Jean-Yves Sireau"
My answer per email to betonmarket:
AntwortenLöschenHi Mister Sireau
I did NOT report you a bug, I did report you, that in my feeling you have stolen me just with one or two clicks 100$ with the evil practise of putting automatically 100$ as standard amount, and this was from the beginning, since I opened the account with you about 3 month ago.
This is not a bug, that's just another lie from you.
In my opinion it is you that blackmail me with menacing me to report my blog.
Go on an report, let's. But the jurisdictions in this money controlled world give mostly the right not to the right, but to the money. And I you are not able to handle this between me and you, that is really very very poor. I will be fair to you, I promise.
But your are the GOLIATH against me little David.
I did not write anything illegal. I changed the articel in the blog and now, in the way I wrote,
I WILL under NO condition take it away, but I am fair and I will print there your answers, so you have a fair occasion to make the best of the situation, being honest and sincere.
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And one most important step in good direction you made: You "fixed the bug", as you tell me in the email, misleading to give it a light of just technical bug. But this of course was intention.
And it good that you changed this bad behaviour intention, but don't say this was a bug, that's ridiculous.
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The fact of the blog artical has nothing (more) to do with wether you apologize, ore even think it could be aprobiate to pay me back at least 50$. This was not a try of blackmailing you, as you try to assume, but just, being convinced of having written the truth I for myself could imagine to take the articel away if I see you change your behaviour because of goodwill, nothing more.
But as an idealist I's much better for me to let the articel as it is to warn people of potential being trickt out by brokers. As a mentioned in the articel, similar evil behaviour with standard big amounts I know from other brokers and casinos.
And the fact, you changed this behaviour gives a good light on you and so, the articel can even be positiv for you, showing that you changed behaviour to more fair behaviour.
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Back again, assuming me of blackmailing me is just quite ridiculous. Publishing our bad expieriences is the only weapon we small customers have to make you take serious our concerns.
And I'm really positivly estounished how fast and heavy you reacted on this small articel.
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One last thing: you try to assume me of defamation: But for me it is a fact, that I feel to be stolen of you by 100$ with an evil trick. Only paying me back at least half of it would take away this feeling. That is not a defamation, but a customer expierience! And no, that's not again a blackmail. If a thief takes me away something, I feel free to demand it back, the thief may call this blackmailing him.
And NO, from you I do not want anything back, really, it's o.k. for me to see, how your behaviour with customers will change or not, including me is much more satisfying.
kind regards
Your king (the customer is the king)
Lucien Jamin
Mr Jamin originally wrote to Betonmarkets: "Hi, saturday I just expierienced a very bad behaviour of your
AntwortenLöschenside and made a blog articel of it.
http://theblue-trader.blogspot.com/2013/09/is-betonmarket-scamer.html The
only way I will take away this artical is, that you refund me the 100$ lost
in to not wished bets (in this size), withdrawable. k.r. L. Jamin"
Betonmarkets.com always refunds clients in the event of legitimate website errors. However we do not react positively to attempts at extortion (writing a defamatory blog post and asking for money to remove it).
First of all, I no longer ask for a refund of the money that was in my feeling tricky stolen, in relation to the existence blog articel, this was just my first reaction being very angry, to be linked and cheaten again and again by some several services and offers, specially concerning binary options.
LöschenSecond, I removed all elements of the blog articel, that could be understood as defamation and never inteded to to, just expressed my feelings (may be in a inapprobiate manner) feeling to have been fooled or tricky cheaten. But the text of the articel is now fair and even friendly for you - giving you the opportunity to proof as a broker which takes concerns of customers serious.
hi
AntwortenLöschenme again.
One important thing I just have to say yet:
You lost with this action a customer, you lost a client -
and I am a loyal customer, if I feel not tricked out I can stay a customer for over 10 years, even if I do not regularly win. I.e. I have some casino or broker accounts since over 5-10 years, but still have no regular wins, meaning, from time to time, I refund the account again, if needed, since I just like playing and trading.
So with the account with you, with the remaining 15$, after having lost the 100$ by the tricky behaviour, there are now 2 possibilities:
1. I work me up with the remaining 15$, forever staying in the winning zone.
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I know, your business is maintained by again and again loosing clients, not by ever winning clients.
2. The 15$ or later winnings are consumed by losses, and since I feel to be tricked out from you, I'll not refund but search other binary options brokers with small amount bet offers.
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And here it is true: Only the giving me back from your goodwill at least 50$ withrawable could change my mind.
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You know that the 2 possibility is far more probable in average.
kind regards
L. Jamin
To this email I received folling answer from Mr. Sireau from betonmarket and answered following:
AntwortenLöschenZitat von Jean-Yves Sireau :
Sorry but you have to understand, we don't respond to threats. You
really need to stop doing that.
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My answer to this statement:
Hi
I am your client.
You tell me I need to stop doing that, feeling to be tricky taken away 100$.
How????????
It just happend this way and the 100$ are REALLY away.
That is my reality. They are away because of this tricky behaviour.
And a change of the behaviour is good, but will not give me back anything.
So you lost a client - may be I am free to tell you, nothing other I wrote in this email below.
And you call this a threat! That's very ridiculous, really.
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And I will further exaxtly make notes about your behaviour and allthough may be about other brokers behaviour. So that finally clients can have an overview.
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Is it a threat for you, if customers begin to write down there expieriences and feelings in blogs? Hahahaha.
k.r.
L. Jamin